Painful, embarrassing shit I’ve done trying to make money online.

When I first started this blog, I felt like a small lost child in the woods.

First, let’s get something straight: A lot of other bloggers or writers will tell you, “Oh, I hardly even considered making money off my blog. Why, it happened practically by accident!”

That’s bullshit. It doesn’t happen by accident.

And I knew from day one that I wanted to figure out how to make money with Rich20Something by sharing the things I’d learned launching my other businesses.

I just had no idea HOW to actually do this.

I saw a lot of these sketchy, over-the-top, narcissistic personalities online and it made me think of what directors used to tell me when I was acting in stage work:

“When you’re on stage, you have to become BIGGER so that even the back row can see you.”

So I saw all these over-the-top personalities supposedly making money and I thought THAT was who I would have to become in order to make a name for myself — and then one day…maybe I could make money online.

For months, I tried a bunch of B.S. to attract attention, to no avail.

Now, I’m going to reveal some of the painful, embarrassing things I attempted.

WARNING: All of these ideas are horrible. They make me want to set the treadmill to infinity and do the endless walk of shame. After reading them over again, I’m reconsidering religion.

  • I tried putting naked women in my videos to get more clicks (yes, I actually did think this would work, so shut up.)

This is an actual screenshot of my first video

  • I tried putting up a bunch of Google Adwords campaigns to a corny landing page that looked like a 2004 advertisement for OxyClean. Google suspended my account. It was their way of letting me know how good my content was…

  • I tried writing posts every single day and using Hootsuite to spam my friends and family on Twitter/Facebook. It was a marvelous failure.

  • I even tired…gulp…ok…I hired a professional ventriloquist to make a video for me to announce a web event. Yes. You read that correctly. Don’t believe me?

Yes. That just happened. Sorry.

  • Bonus fuckup not related to Rich20Something: I once lied to a web design client to get a project and told them that my team and I we ex-Google coders. Then when I got the job, I scrambled to find people who could help me do it. It didn’t work. I had to pay back everything.Umm, guys… never do that. Definitely a dumb move.

Can you tell I was in gifted classes in high school?

Looking back, now it seems pretty obvious that these approaches would be complete, total flops…but nothing is really obvious when you’re IN THE MOMENT, and you’re trying to copy what it appears other successful people are doing.

How many of us are in the moment - trying to figure things out in our business and personal lives on a day-to-day basis?

Raise your hand if one of these strikes a chord with you:

  • You’re just looking for a way….ANY WAY to make an idea of yours work.

  • You find yourself quietly contemplating the meaning of life, saying things like: “WHAT IS THE GODDAMN SECRET TO MAKING MONEY?”

I feel you.

In my case, I was dying to know what the “secret sauce” was that all these other bloggers and entrepreneurs had (that I clearly didn’t).

They certainly weren’t better looking than me…

Then, one day, LIGHTNING STRUCK. I had an “a ha” moment.

See — all this time, I’d been approaching this blog from a selfish P.O.V.

How can DANIEL make money?

How can DANIEL get noticed, get attention, get flocks of adoring female fans to send him semi-nude selfies?

I made it all about me. Me, ME, ME.

WRONG.

I started looking at the blogs of other people I admired who were making money — but also being themselves. People like James Clear and Maneesh Sethi.

I smacked my head so hard, it’s still hurting…and in an instant, I finally realized the two components that make ANY business — whether it’s a product or a service (or even a blog) successful:

  • Authenticity

  • Offering your audience a genuine solution to their problems

Now it was time to do a little soul searching and take an inventory. I started asking myself probing questions.

First: Authenticity

How could I really connect with my audience?

  • How can I reach them in a way that makes them feel a genuine connection to me?

  • How can I be the most honest version of myself.

I started writing posts that just expressed my feelings, hoping that people would relate. Not mushy, woo-woo, “The Secret” stuff. I began to write real, truthful pieces in the form of open letters.

These resonated. They stood out from the pack because people could tell there was no agenda. It was just me talking…and if they liked what I had to say…they could read more of my blog. That’s it.

This type of genuine concern for others built my community faster than any other “tactic” I’d tried in the past. Imagine that.

 

Next: Offering my audience genuine solution to their problems

Now that I had peoples’ attention, what could I actually help them with?

  • The biggest mistake you can make here as a beginner is thinking that your experience has no value. It always has value.

  • You can always teach somebody something. You always have something to give.

So I started teaching — and I got great responses.

Now, after some time I’d learned how to offer REAL, TANGIBLE value to readers — and it was a very simple transition to turning readers into clients and the blog into a business.

I started learning what people wanted by learning what people wanted via survey. I listened to what they were feeling and created something to help them.

A few months later, I created a simple, program called the Tribal Accelerator where I help entrepreneurs one-on-one to take concrete action on their goals, stop messing around, and finally launch their start ups.

Now, I’d leveraged a legitimate business from my blog.

In my first 6 months of business, I made about $16,000 in sales from Rich20Something.

Now, it’s your turn.

  • What do you want to know about my failures? My successes?
  • What specific questions do you have about how I run my businesses?

You can ask me about marketing, product creation, finances. Anything you can think of. Nothing is off limits.

Leave any question in the comments below with your questions and I’ll answer it.

*******

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robertwalker

I've recorded a list of Dos and Don'ts from all these years of marketing online at http://www.InternetIncome88.com. You might want to check it out to get a better head start of all your competitors who are struggling to make money online.

Martine van Eijk

BTW my craziest ideas? Writing poems for Sinterklaas (a Dutch tradition), writing columns, blogs, reviews, articles, sewing and repairing clothes (a lot of appreciation, no dime). Yes made money with, some lecturing and research,

Martine van Eijk

Nice blog, recognizable comments.

I Guess it is a lifetime task to make a genuine connection with oneself in the changes that oddur during our lives. I find myself refocussing every few yrs, making smaller and bigger turns.

I'd like to know how you work with the private access group form abroad (I'm from NL), texting and phoning is probably a bit expensive ?

Anyway, I'm aboard.

UberOnTime
UberOnTime

Nice read, as I learn more about your work.

Stephane Jozil
Stephane Jozil

Daniel thanks for this amazing post! Listen I always want to have my own business but I feel like that I need to learn on finances , accounting etc ... I'm trained as an engineer , what's your advice for me?

Stephane from Haiti.

gwleckythompson
gwleckythompson

Hi,


I'm really just throwing in my 2c here; and be careful because *any* advice you get now, Q4 2014, is likely to change as time goes by. The following is just my take, my opinion, and formed by my experience. So, I'm not going to say "in my opinion" each time, because it'll get boring for both of us. Your mileage will vary.


Blogs are either a 'hobby' (they cost more in time & money than they make) or a 'business' (they make more than they cost). Most of line have been hobbies -- i.e. they make me some Amazon gift certificates so I can buy books, model train stuff etc. -- and have been *great fun* but not made me rich.


To go from a 'hobby' to a 'business' without becoming q 'job' is hard. There's a good series of books on this, and I'll just throw a few out there : The $100 Startup by Chris Guillebeau, or The Entrepreneur Revolution by Daniel Priestley for general stuff, and Inbound Marketing by Halligan & Shah are some great places to start. If you want to get the lowdown on serious moneymaking try Jay Abraham's "How to Get Everything You Can..." or Dan Kennedy's "No BS Marketing to the Affluent".


Here's what to avoid - your hobby blog starts to get some traffic, so you quit your job and become an online publisher with one blog trying to replace your 9-5 salary.


Turning your hobby into a business more or less requires that you aim to quarter your time spent on it, whilst quadrupling your revenue (note: not profit.) Otherwise you'll be as unhappy in your new position as you were in your old position. At least that's what they tell me -- I'm stuck somewhere between 9-5 and millionaire's row, myself.


However, earning money from a hobby blog is pretty easy:


- AdSense, Google's own advertising programme;

- Amazon (& other, higher paying) Affiliate Schemes;

- Selling your own eBook (which can be re-purposed blog posts);

- Doing little Fiverr gigs based on your knowledge;

- etc.


All of the above require traffic, and you're going to want to build a list to (a) bring people back and (b) continue to sell stuff to them.


If you want to get started making money, right now, and aren't afraid of a bit of work (yes, that word again!) then I'm currently recommending a few packages (not mine, and I'm not an affiliate, either) but I don't want to step on anyone's toes, so if you want to know what I'm using, then we'll take the discussion off this page out of respect to the main man, Daniel.


But, just so I'm not leaving anyone hanging, here's what I would do:


1. Pick a niche that I enjoy

2. Find a sub-niche by using keyword research that has some traffic

3. Buy a domain name / set up a WordPress blog

4. Start blogging about the topic, picking ideas from lists built using keyword research

5. Install AdSense and start looking for topics with HIGH CPC's

6. Check out Amazon for some products to REVIEW and RECOMMEND

7. Re-purpose the blog entries, add some artwork and step-by-steps to make a P4P (free Product for Prospects)

8. Set up MailChimp, GetResponse, or whatever and start building a list, using the P4P as bait

9. Start poking around ClickBank, JVZoo, and (if appropriate) the Warrior Forum for products to promote to the list

10. Create a Kindle book, sell it on Amazon


By this point, you can start thinking about buying in traffic, re-targeting traffic, and using HubPages, eZineArticles, etc. with re-purposed material to bring in more clicks. At some point, you will also have a certain level of Authority, and you can look at creating packs of PLR on sub-topics that are popular, related to your core blog.


Again, this is just my own point of view, based on what I've done, read, and thought about. Other people will have other strategies, but the 10 steps here ought to get you started! Like I said, there are a few short-cuts I can recommend (use the technology!) but I'm wary of promoting products on here, so get in touch if you would like more meat.


Best,

Guy


A1KK
A1KK

@gwleckythompson Great post, much honesty in there too!

Max F
Max F

@gwleckythompson That is a great post in this post.
I am in school, and I am studying for my exams right now - but I have in mind to instantly start making money online. My parents allowed me to do this. I know what I am going to write about, and have a certain level of expertise. So my Question is:
If you are completly new at making money with a (video)blog, but want to do it fulltime instantly, what would you do?

My plan is to create accounts on all the platforms, and start making weekly videos and daily posts. Also I will offer to hold free seminars and speeches for free at local plattforms and invite them for videos. At the end of every video, I will ask them to contact me for help and for one-on-one coaching with me. I will also start to write a few kindle ebooks and promote them on my blog+YT channel and create an 30 day Program teaching my niche topic in depth. What do you think? Hoping to get some advice for improvement - thank you very much in advance.

Have a great day.

PS: I'm from Austria so my material will be in german - and this post will most likely be full of mistakes - I'm sorry ;)

Doomvdb
Doomvdb

I have a question: How does one actually earn money with a blog? Are you actually selling your own products? or is it just advertisements?

PBrown
PBrown

Thank you so much for another great read! I'm getting into drop shipping and I'm trying to cram as much knowledge about it as I can as quickly as I can. Do you have any suggestions for me? Do you know of any great sites I should use to start my business?

swarnav
swarnav

Congratulations on your success. Although I'm still in the 'Figuring out/Idea generation' phase, I could somehow relate to the above post.

ChristyWingfield

I find myself THINKING like you, just having a really hard time implementing WHAT you do. I am a writer. I breathe it, I taste it in the air, and currently, have been making my living online this way.


The thing is, I want to go big, or go home...


Well, I am already home, but maybe just close the computer, and grab a bowl and a bag of chips instead!


This won't help me get where I want though--although I must say I have done that before, especially when I first gave marketing a shot! It was too much all at once. DAMMIT was it ever...lol


Now, I make money online, yes.


I write, and people hear me, and sometimes they love it sometimes they don't, you can't win them all. I know all about failure and constructive criticism. It's actually great for business--as far as moving up the virtual ladder goes...


I just feel like..."WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME?!" It's because I know there are people out there who aren't as skilled as I am--please don't think I am tooting my own horn here because I am not--but these people are banking, insanely, and here I am busting my ass to make ends meet each month? Um, fuck that. I feel like I am wasting my freakin' time on some of these sites.


I have my own site, just like you said, but I suck at coding, so.... :/ It gets the point across, but still, how lame! lol


Anyway, I never participate or comment, but you seem legit, and I will say this--toot toot--(not that you don't know you're the shit) I have found the most useful info on your blog than just about anywhere else, seriously. Everyone else is so far up their own ass...it makes it easy for some to throw in the towel.


Not me. Fuck that.


I am stuck though, where to go from here? *sigh*


Anyway, just wanted to share my thoughts, and tell you great job on the blog. ;)

Kayvee
Kayvee

I love your blog


but is it just me or is there something wrong with the programming code of your site.


your site is very slow to scroll through. It is slow even when I write comments, everything just moves slowly


i use other sites and blogs all the time and no problem at all.


just thought i would let you know


Thanks again for all your eye opening content

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@Kayvee Thanks for the compliments :)


As far as site speed, that's something we're already working on - although it's actually gotten better recently. Will keep working.


I really appreciate you being part of the community!

kaiwilli

I love this post, and I definitely want to get to this point. However, I struggle with what I would actually teach people. It's not that I don't have ideas--I do. I just think they need work, and I definitely need some help standing out from the crowd.

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@kaiwilli It takes a while to figure out what you can provide of value. Keep working at it. Email me if you need help :)

JacobRoundy

Daniel, thanks man for letting us know your story. Keeping it real is the way to go. I really agree with your mention of being authentic when trying to appeal to an audience. Thumbs up my friend.


Since this site is about making money online I would like to tell everyone that the following company is legitimate and is a 'ready out of the box' (complete with instructions) opportunity. I make money with it: http://4WeeklyChecks.com


Keep on keeping it real Daniel. Myself and others look forward to hearing what else you have to say regarding making money online. :-)

No thanks but thanks

I have to be honest and up front. The typographical errors in your work and the rambling nature of the content give me a strange impression of you as a frantic, careless person with an inflated self-image that prevents you from noticing details or capturing an accurate picture of reality. Nonetheless, I congratulate you on your success and believe that there is value in the small points you [excessively belabor to] make [for no clear reason]. They are inherently valuable lessons, and you are able to capture all kinds of value from the fact that they resonate with others.

gwleckythompson
gwleckythompson

@Rich20Something @No thanks but thanks See, now that's why I keep coming back. The Comments are always pure gold. @Rich20Something 's list of content is like a reading list for the site and his ethos. Kudos, but don't feed the trolls ;)

David J. Bradley
David J. Bradley

@Rich20Something @No thanks but thanks I just want to conclude this string with a note: I was reading Tim Ferriss' blog the other day. He had a doctor as a guest writer, and there was indeed a spelling error! Terrifying. Clearly Doctors, Tim Ferriss, and Daniel are careless people.



Anyhow, thanks for the post Daniel - you stuck gold with this one!

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@No thanks but thanks You could have just said, " They are inherently valuable lessons, and you are able to capture all kinds of value from the fact that they resonate with others." — Since it validates why I'd write such a colloquial piece in the first place and nullifies the preceding argument. :)

No thanks but thanks

I like your point. But saying things like "lightning stuck" is also careless and off-putting, whether or not you define that as colloquial.

If you're crocheting an elaborate nest of BS around the message or your post, while inserting intentional spelling errors, for the sake of pandering to... "the average Internet reader," or whatever you had in mind, that, to me, reeks of dishonesty... however brilliant it is. If not, your commendably honest content is just simply not something I'd give as much credit as it might deserve, or, share with others.

Thanks for replying!

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@No thanks but thanks A few things:


1.) This is a personal blog, not a peer-reviewed academic journal. There will, of course, be some spelling errors from time to time. Maybe more than you'd like, but thousands of readers are able to get value every week — and until now, I've literally never received one comment that said my occasional spelling/grammatical errors were so distracting that they took away from the message of the piece.


2.) My readers are NOT the "average internet reader" — they are smart, well-educated and creative.


3.) You picked a more tongue-in-cheek piece to comment on. Have you read anything else on the site?


We don't know each other personally, but I can say that of all the people I've met, the ones who make the least progress, have the worst relationships and are the least fun to be around are people who nitpick over things because it makes them feel self-important. For instance, the "concern trolls" who always shake their heads and say, "I'm so worried about you, I just want to help" — which is often a thinly veiled jab that mocks the subject.


You making such a big deal out of "lightning stuck" (which I'm definitely not correcting now) is a prime example of missing the forest for the trees.


Have you taken the time to look at the other immensely valuable things I give to my audience?


For instance, my super-in-depth HD video interview with Shark Tank's Lori Greiner on building an empire:


http://www.rich20something.com/secrets-of-a-multi-millionaire-mogul-my-interview-with-shark-tank-star-lori-greiner-hd-video/


Or the detailed 2,000+ word strategy guide where I broke down, step-by-step, how to freelance online:


http://www.rich20something.com/hacking-elance-the-step-by-step-breakdown-to-making-23700-in-4-weeks/


Maybe you missed the one where I revealed how I bootstrapped a 6-figure test prep company, including a detailed video tutorial:


http://www.rich20something.com/the-marsupial-method-how-launch-a-profitable-business-with-a-guaranteed-customer-base-in-24-hours-or-less/


No. Yow wanted to look for the misuse of "too" for "to."


You completely missed the point. You could have improved your life.


4.) Finally, where's your content? Do you have a dedicated column on The Huffington Post?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-dipiazza/


Where's your blog with over 10,000 readers per month and your gorgeous library of flawless posts?


I'll bet you don't have one. If you do, please post it here so I can find a grammatical error. I guarantee there are some.


This is all said in my "nice" voice. I'm seriously not upset. I just want to make a point that if you come into my house and critique it, you'd better have something slightly more compelling than "you said STUCK instead of STRUCK!"


And maybe, instead of focusing on minutiae, next time you can read some of the comprehensive, massively valuable things on this site and put them to use so that you can live a happier life :)


I'm not going to spell check this.

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

$10 says @No thanks but thanks won't respond. Who's in?

No thanks but thanks

I think that's really cool that you have so many followers ("nice voice," not sarcasm) and I have observed a few friends and several others succeed by shoving the image of themselves that they want to sell down people's throats until it's impossible to tell who is real anymore and near impossible to stop the faucet from running-on either side.

I think it was my error to have pointed out your sloppiness in a comment rather than personally, especially since you respectfully take heed to the things your readers say. I am sorry for suggesting you edit more carefully in a public forum where it may come across as if I'm a "control troll" or what have you. I have actually only commented on blogs/articles publicly once or twice in my life, and was probably more inspired by the "honesty" theme of the post than anything, in my defense.

Thanks for the insight.

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@No thanks but thanks Thanks for your reply.


Sometimes, you do have to act "as if" while you're still figuring things out — which was actually the main point of the post above. I was trying to be a bunch of things that weren't me. It ended up coming off poorly!


I appreciate you, keep reading. Good things ahead!


DD

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@No thanks but thanks HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

ToniP
ToniP

@Rich20Something @No thanks but thanks I don't think he/she will respond. ($10 says they won't) He/she sounds like a hater to me. Who cares for misspelling? He knows what you said b/c he commented on it. The time it took to critique is the time he/she could have found value in your message.

James Poulitot

Congratulations! Success well deserved! I think that action was a very important element in your success, you have to be willing to fail in order to be willing to succeed.

Shajee
Shajee

Hey Daniel,

I was hooked when I read your first post on Under30Ceo (the one on elance), now I realize what is it ... its Authenticity, honest upfront on your face :)

Keep up the good work buddy...I am listening and learning !!

Dirtdiva
Dirtdiva

I live where you get taxed the minute you go sign up to start a business. So I'm not in a hurry to do that but at what point do you comfortably file a DBA when looking to book on line writing gigs? I am assuming in order to start booking you need to supply tax ID # / your DBA #.

JenniferJampala

Hi Daniel. Thanks for that advice. How did you get your blog noticed in the beginning? I feel like I'm writing but no body is reading and I don't know how to get anyone's attention.

LiamOfFoxchase
LiamOfFoxchase

Daniel, I read your post on successfully bidding on Elance. I am trying to replicate your success there (or at least some of it). My questions are:

- How many video bids did you submit before you got consistent responses?

- How many more before you got a reliable win percentage?

- How long before you collected your first revenue from this?


Thank you,

Liam Hickey, Willpower Careers

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@LiamOfFoxchase Hi Liam,


To be honest, it only took me about a 2 weeks to test the system, perfect the pitches and start making money.

SG
SG

Excellent point. I also enjoyed your article about the funny shit you did trying to make money online. Too many businesses these days in an effort to be PC will beat around the bush and use non-specific or dodgy language. It's tiring to read between the lines as to what's really going on. I'm glad your approach with authenticity is paying off. Gives me hope for a more honest, vivid future in business!

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@SG Tell me about it! What other blogs do you read?


Drew24
Drew24

Hey Daniel!

Some of the points in the article really hit home. I have an MBA (biggest waste of money by the way) and I still feel that my experiences have little value and that I have little to give or offer people. I would love to learn more about the tribal accelerator and what it has to offer.

I would also like to hear how you monetize your blog and made 16,000 in 6 months.

Sorry for the long post.

Thanks.

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@Drew24 The Tribal Accelerator is the way I've monetized. I also have a pretty good free resource for putting together a simple info product that can generate revenue. Have you checked it out?


http://www.rich20something.com/deluxe

DJ
DJ

Hello Daniel,

Outside of your hacking elance article. How have you been able to monetize your blog/website? How did you set it up? What are your operational costs? How do you draw traffic? I hope I'm not asking too many questions, but I want/need to create an additional revenue stream.

Thank You

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@DJ Hey D, Thanks for re-posting this Q from email. Right now, the blog is monetized via my TAP program . My recommendation for getting money quickly is not a blog. That takes a lot of care and patience. I would freelance with an existing skill. What are you good at?

DJ
DJ

@Rich20Something Thank you for commenting! There's not too much in this world that provides a get rich quick scheme! I good at writing, communication, email and marketing. I have some design/development skills.

Chris
Chris

You're really geniune Dan. Keep up failing and you'll be extremely successful as time passes. I'm still struggling myself, but I dont give up.

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@Chris Thanks Chris. I really appreciate you reading!

Cyclia
Cyclia

I don't know if it's a dutch saying or not, but a popular saying under business people is: The painter's house is left unpainted. This kinda means that if you do your job, you neglect your own business. Something which I, now I finally am starting, already start to see. Do you recognize it? And how do you stay on top of it?

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@Cyclia I love this. I've never heard it before, but it describes the situation perfectly. To be honest, it's not easy. Here's the scenario I've encountered: As I've done better and better w/my business, people come to me asking to help with theirs. I take on clients that want to pay me really well. Then my biz gets neglected. Best solution I've found is to block off time where I HAVE to work on mine (for instance, I have 20 minutes to respond to all these comments).

AnnikaStahlberg
AnnikaStahlberg

Hey Daniel,

Some of this stuff is so random, I have to admit I had a little giggle :-) what's interesting to me is that you tried big and crazy stuff, and it flopped, whereas people like Maneesh Sethi hire a girl to slap him for productivity, and it goes viral. Is there crazy random stuff you've done that's worked? Or is it just not in line with your personality and that's why these things didn't work out?

AnnikaStahlberg
AnnikaStahlberg

@Rich20Something @maneesh I think you're both nuts (in the best way possible), maybe @Rich20Something is a little less masochistic - no slapping going on on this site!

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@AnnikaStahlberg oh snap @maneesh do we need someone to come by and slap you again?

Rich20Something
Rich20Something moderator

@AnnikaStahlberg which one do you think is the craziest?